Tuesday, June 2, 2015

Update ~ EYE want my Daggum Democratic Party Back! Can EYE Rant?

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H/T ca democrat via Daily Kos

One Pissed Off Liberal writes:

I'm a Tom Joad democrat, a prison reform democrat, an anti-poverty democrat and a pro-justice democrat - so the party left me a long time ago...and they never looked back as they went chasing after the fat checkbook crowd. The few indisputably good things the party has done, such as the war on poverty and support for the civil rights movement, recede into the distant past as a brave new world emerges in which we are left to wonder just what IS the difference between neocons and neolibs, and whether democrats bombing the world in an unending war orgy is any better than repubs doing the exact same thing.
Today's democrats are yesterday's republicans.
 Democrats (not all of them of course, but enough of them) enabled the Bush administration in some of the worst crimes against humanity in modern history: the illegal invasion of Iraq, the shameful atrocities at Abu Ghraib, Bagram, Guantanamo and elsewhere, kidnappings, torture, murders, assassinations, double-taps such as that shown in the Chelsea Manning video and on and on.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
My judgment is especially harsh for the Democratic Party because the whole world looked to them for justice and were denied. Justice is what we owed the world. JUSTICE!
The prospect of a Republican freak out is no excuse for Democrats not pursuing justice. We're always crowing about what a great nation we are – but we can't even manage to bring our own worst and most public in-your-face criminals to justice.
EYE said it once, and EYE say it again.  The Democratic party has been infiltrated by reactionary/New Dems/Blue Dogs/ Centrist/Conservadems/Moderates, and hell knows who/what else to promote neo liberal (aka conservative) ideas.
In addition to conservative infiltrators the democratic party has so called "moderates, centrist, center" who try and walk a thin line down the middle of the party. We don't know if they are pro choice or anti choice. We don't know if they are pro civil rights or anti civil rights. We don't know what the heck they stand for. They are in the middle whatever the heck that means. My daddy says the only thing down the middle of the road is a yellow line. Moderates are afraid to take a position one way or another because they don't know what side of the road they are on.
The definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again,  hoping for a different result.
We’re “absolutely unified on three essential messages going forward: It’s middle class, middle class, middle class,” said Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.), who had just surveyed 90 Democratic members about what they want to see in 2016. “Everybody agreed that it has to be about the middle.”
Who the heck is "Everybody" Rep. Steve Isreal, Sir?  Blue Dogs and New Dems who vote with the republicans and have no connection to the traditional democratic base?  The traditional democratic base they use to get elected, then throw under the bus?
 Davis panders to the right, who are wrong about everything, to the detriment of the, as he calls them,  democratic base(women,minorities,labor,public school teachers,civil rights leaders,African American political organizations). You know, the traditional democratic base that marched, bleed and died to change Alabama. The traditional democratic base that made it possible for him to be the sitting Congressman from the 7th district (which includes the black belt) of Alabama.
Enough.  It's time for real Democrats to stand their ground, and for those who don't support the Democratic platform 100% to go.  Those who believe a half an A$$ is better than no A$$ need to find another party.  Just because someone say's they are a democrat , doesn't mean they are democrat.

Real democrats are pro equal, civil, and human rights.  Real democrats support a woman's right to choose to have a safe legal abortion.  Real democrats support public education, public school teachers, and labor.  Real democrats support equal rights for LBGT citizens.  Real democrats are proud, unashamed, Birkenstock wearing, Hybrid car driving, tree hugging, anti war, anti poverty, card carrying, flag waving,  LIBERALS.
What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
If you can't support all of the above, you are with them, and against us.
  Independents are really republicans who are ashamed to call themselves republicans.
I'm sick and tired of cowardly Dems.

RedEye Rant Over and Out.  For now.


Brian said...

A lot of the Democrats recent success has been because of New Democrats. Bill Clinton is a New Democrat (and was the first democrat president to be reelected since FDR). Al Gore is a New Democrat. So is John Kerry and Hilary Clinton. They are all members of the moderate Democratic Leadership Council.

Redeye said...

And your point is what exactly? Never mind. I know.

Brian said...

What do you think my point is? Do you really know or are you just making assumptions?

Redeye said...

Where are the new republicans?

Brian said...

Hard left democrats have DINOs, hard right republicans have RINOs

From Wikipedia:

Examples of moderate Republican Governors include George Pataki, William Weld, Paul Celluci, Jodi Rell, Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman Jr., Chris Christie, Jim Douglas, George W. Romney, William G. Milliken, Tom Corbett and Donald Carcieri. Current U.S. senators include Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia, Susan Collins of Maine, Mark Kirk of Illinois, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Rob Portman of Ohio, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, John McCain of Arizona, and John Hoeven of North Dakota.

Moderate Republican organizations: the Ripon Society, which was founded in 1962 as a group of liberal Republicans, today it provides forums for centrist Republican and their ideals. The Republican Main Street Partnership is a network supporting moderate Republicans for office, while the Republican Leadership Council is similar in direction. Former New Jersey Governor Christie Todd Whitman founded the Republican Leadership Council PAC in order to promote moderate Republicans for office.

The Republican Majority for Choice is a PAC of and for pro-choice Republicans, and is often allied with the moderate branch of the party. Former U.S. Senate Majority Leader and 1996 Presidential nominee Bob Dole has supported the "Main Street" Republicans. John McCain has been considered a moderate Republican for much of his Congressional career; however, he moved considerably to the right on many issues during his unsuccessful 2008 presidential campaign.

In modern times, more liberal Republicans included Rudy Giuliani, Scott Brown, Amo Houghton, Colin Powell, Jim Leach, Joseph Cao, Senators Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, former California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker. Two former Senators Jim Jeffords and Arlen Specter, both of whom later left the party. Rhode Island governor Lincoln Chafee and New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg, both former Republicans turned independents (Chafee ended up switching to the Democrats), also espoused stances favored by liberals.

Redeye said...

When are the real republicans going to take their party back from the right wing TeaBillies?

Brian said...

You want the democrat party to be 100% liberal, but you don't want the conservatives who want the republican party to be 100% conservative to be in control of the republican party?

But the tea party is not in control of the republican party. They are a voice but they are not in control. If they were in control, Boehner would not be the Speaker of the House. McConnell would not be the Senate leader. Romney would not have been the Presidental candidate in 2012. The tea party considers them all RINOs.

Redeye said...

I don't care what the republican party does. And yes I want the democratic party to be 100% liberal, you say that like it's a bad thing. If it makes you feel better to believe the GOP infused, media enabled, tea party is not in control of our government have at it.

Brian said...

If you don't care about the republican party, why did you ask if the "real" republicans were going to take their party back? And who are the "real" republicans?

Redeye said...

Why are you so concerned about the democratic party and who/what they do? And why are trying to convince people that the only way for democrats to be elected is to pander to the racist, sexist, homophobic, anti labor, anti public education, anti woman's right to choose republicans?

Redeye said...

PS: I forgot to add anti woman's right to choose and climate deniers.

Redeye said...

PPS: I forgot to add pro all war all the time, debt as far as the eye can see and tax cuts for the rich while the rest get the shaft.

Brian said...

People do have different level of beliefs. Some people don't believe abortion should be legal at all, some believe that it should be legal but restrictions on abortion can be reasonable, some people believe abortion should be legal and unrestricted, and there are even some people that believe abortion could even occur after birth has occurred. At which point does it become "anti-"woman's right to choice is up to debate.

Is $15/hour sufficient to be pro-labor? Why not make it $20, or $50, or $100? Being pro-union isn't always being pro-labor, Often enough, the cost of dealing with a union is enough for a company to look at moving a facility to somewhere where they don't have to deal with a union. Sometimes being pro business is being pro labor because you can encourage businesses to create jobs. I have seen it many times, when costs go up, a business has one of two choices: raise prices, which can often reduce sales, or lower costs, and once of the easiest costs to reduce is labor.

And Obama and the democrats are not reducing the debt, the debt is still increasing.

BTW, read the comments on democrat sights about black and women who happen to be conservative. Democrats are just as racist and sexist and intolerant of those that do not share their beliefs, often worst....

And if climate change is settled, why do they keep making revisions after the fact. One month, it was the hottest month on record and a few months later, it has been quietly revised where it is no longer the hottest month ever. And the historical trends have not shown that it is getting hotter but it has been holding steady for about 20 years now.

And by the way, is it pro climate to use an electric car, when the footprint of generating the electricity for that car is worse than the footprint of a gas powered car? Plus the batteries used for energy storage can be very enviromental unfriendly. I remember growing up, we had new cars that had better fuel efficency than modern hybrids (Honda Civic CRX and Geo Metro were about 45 city, 51 highway) but they were regulated out of existence. Now we think 40 is a good MPG number.

But go ahead, ignore the middle. You might win some local races, but expect to see Mondale level defeats on the national level. Most issues are not black and white but have many levels of grey in the middle.

I don't think either party is anti public education

Redeye said...

The only thing in the middle of the road is a yellow line.

Redeye said...

PPPS: I forgot to add anti choice.

Brian said...

"The only thing in the middle of the road is a yellow line." Some roads, yes, but the middle of roads like Univeristy, the middle is a turn lane. The middle of 565 is either a concrete dividor or a strip of grass depending on where you are.

And you got to cross the middle to get to the other side.

PS: What is the differnce between "anti woman's right to choose" and anti choice"?

Redeye said...

People who call themselves Moderates are either uniformed, fence straddlers, or republicans who are ashamed to admit they are republicans. Either way, democrats need to stop pandering to them at the expense of their base. You know, the people who support the party platform/agenda 100% like the republican party does.

You are right (pun intended) there is no difference in Republicans being anti choice and anti woman. I should have said anti equal pay for women. Thanks for the catch.

Brian said...

Are Democrats for equal pay for women? You would not know that by what Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama pay their staffers. The White House pays their female staffers 88% of what male staffers make. Hilary's Senate office paid her female staffers 72% of what male staffers made.

And I disagree about moderates. I believe moderates are free thinkers who have the strength and the courage to speak up for their beliefs rather than blindly following the party line.

If all you are doing is voting by party lines, how does that make someone informed? Would the person that researches each candidate and vote for the candidate that best matches their personal view be more informed.

Redeye said...

Your concern for the Democratic Party is touching but boring.

Redeye said...

"I believe moderates are free thinkers who have the strength and the courage to speak up for their beliefs rather than blindly following the party line." LOL! If this were true, they wouldn't be "Moderates". What exactly do Moderates believe in? Are they pro choice? Anti labor? Pro war? Anti Affirmative Action? Speak Out!

Brian said...

What exactly is "anti-labor"? Is it being against raising the minimum wage? Is it being against unions? (Side-topic: Are those wanting to disband police unions anti-labor?)

Why can't people believe abortion should be legal, but also believe that there are reasonable restrictions that can be placed on the practice?

Moderates have different beliefs. Some are peo-choice, some are pro-life. Some are religious and some are atheists. Different moderates have different beliefs. Moderates can be liberal on one issue and conservative on a another.

How much knowledge does it take when all a person does is vote for the candidate with a (D) or a (R) by their name. Moderates, those in the middle vote for candidates that most share their beliefs, not the candidate with the correct letter by their name.

Redeye said...

Yes. Yes. And Yes. To answer your first question.

No in answer to your second question. You either support a woman's right to choose to have a safe legal abortion or you don't.

"Moderates, those in the middle vote for candidates that most share their beliefs, not the candidate with the correct letter by their name." Yeah, they vote for the candidate who shares the belief with the correct letter by their name, which more often than not is republican.